Awc 608 Problems

[djsuthar]

Dear Mr. Marco

Currently we are using Laser Engraving Control card, Its model number is MPC 6535. This card also support to Co2 RF Metal Laser Tube (GEM C30 Coherent ).

But, we are facing problem is that when we engrave on high speed then MPC 6535 control card can not give signal to RF laser tube for On/Off as per speed.

It mean if we engrave 2mm later on 100mm/sec speed and power is 20% then our machine can not engrave this 2mm later.
If we decrees the speed like 30mm/sec then 2mm later engrave good.

So, we understand is that our MPC 6535 control card can not support RF metal tube with High Speed Engraving.

Now, we want to purchase your control card AWC 608, so i want to know this card can work on High speed like 42inch/sec engraving speed.?

Waiting for your reply

[G-laserguy]

So, we understand is that our MPC 6535 control card can not support RF metal tube with High Speed Engraving.

Hi,

I use AWC608 and Thunderlaser (PH-controller) together with RF-tubes from Synrad in different machines. They are all working well and without any speed problems up to 1500mm/s (AWC608) or 2000mm/s (Thunderlaser).
The MPC6535 is not the best controller Leetro ever built, but it is also 100% able to drive a RF tube fast and safe enough for engraving-speed up to 1000mm/s. It is a good choice to replace the MPC6535, but this will not fix your problem. (except your controller is broken in any way)
If you have problems at 100mm/s already, I think a mechanical problem or a bad wireing will be much more probably.
By the way, how is your RF-tube controlled?
On/Off + PWM for Power or by one PWM-signal?

Greetings from Germany.

[djsuthar]

Dear Sir

Thanks for your reply to me.

First of please let me know your good name and business email id.

1. About RF tube - in Coherent tube we give ( - Laser ) signal for Laser Tube ON and PWM signal for select laser power percentage from MPC 6535 controller. after when increase speed then ( - Laser ) signal start on/off tube as per speed. And Pwm Signal understand what is laser power percentage we have set from software.

2. What is Thunderlaser (PH controller ). This controller for laser machine? please send details for the same.

3. About mechanical if you know better design or photos then can you send me that X and Y photos?

4. we have check our laser control card are not broken, b/c we have 20 pcs stock of controller and regular we are purchase that card 30 pcs per month.

Waiting...

[Tech_Marco]

Our programmer said that if the "um" has been adjusted over "20", it can run 2000mm/s without a problem.

FYI, the card that Thunder claimed was our 'old card' that we no longer support. It's not made by Thunder but a ex-partner name "Mr. Wang". They just purchased the card from Mr. Wang, that's all about it. But the problem is that the old card no longer supported in both hardware and software so no new features or OS upgraded is available. He already giving up that card from what I heard.

We support with the AWC-608 with new software (LaserCad) and the board is upgradable through memory stick. The Leetro MC6515 or MC6525 is OK board but it's slow. Plus, they hardly do any upgrade on software and a lot of features not included. Plus, it need a 'dongle' to work. If you lost it, you have to pay full price for replacement. Our card don't need dongle and it work well with NIC (network).

You may try one and if you're not happy with it, you can send it back for full refund (exclude S/H)

Regards,
Marco

[G-laserguy]

Hi Marco,

Our programmer said that if the "um" has been adjusted over "20", it can run 2000mm/s without a problem.

correct, but I prefer running my machines with higher resolution (~10µm/step). For a high resolution the AWC's hardware is just a bit too slow.

FYI, the card that Thunder claimed was our 'old card' that we no longer support. It's not made by Thunder but a ex-partner name "Mr. Wang". They just purchased the card from Mr. Wang, that's all about it. But the problem is that the old card no longer supported in both hardware and software so no new features or OS upgraded is available. He already giving up that card from what I heard.

thats your point of view ...the Thunderlaser controller was at the beginning the same product, you offered here, right. Today they still receive theyr controller and software from PuHan (Mr. Wang) but a lot of funktions changed/got added, bugs got fixed and so on ...so I can tell you, that I receive a sensational good service from Thunderlaser and use almost bug-less controller in my machines now. (new Thunderlaser software is called "LaserGrav" now)
Yes, Mr. Wang had a hard time the past year because his software engineer (Mr. Li ..new head of Anywells) left the companie and all source codes with him. Todays situation is that he is back in business with another software engineer and the "lost" source codes are 99% replaced.

I am a big fan of the AWC-controller too. It's a nice product with great software features (especially the PPI-cutting).
From my point of view both, Thunderlaser controller and Anywells controller, are very close to each other. There are some differences in hardware design and functions but at the end both products do a great job in laser machines.


I think there are enough customers on this planet, to give both products a right to exist.



@djsuthar

This forum is Marco's place. So it would be fair only if you buy products from him. His offer is fair ...order the AWC608 and try out if this can fix your problem. I am anyway not a dealer, I am technician.

If you are interested in Information about Thunderlaser-controller you can googel this ...here is the wrong place to promote products from Marco's competitors.

I placed my comment just to point you that the problem you have with your machine is quite likely not caused from the controller.
Ho I know that? I kicked out lots of Leetro controller from unlucky customers laser machines. Especially the 6535 causes a lot of problems in laser machines, but it is absolutely able to drive a laser tube fast enough at high speed. (the power controlling is inaccurate, but this is not your problem. You will see this only if you engrave very large pictures on sensitive material like acrylic.)

Sending you pictures about different X-Y-stage-designs does not make any sense bacause your problem can have lots of reasons (controller settings, stepper-driver-settings, dimensioning of stepper-motor, using wrong belts, "soft" power supply, too large cable capacity, EMC-problems ........)

I can't see in your profile, where you come from but my place is not this little continent on the left side of Europe , so I can help you in Germany only.

You don't get my good name ...I give you my best name: it's Diemo

Greetings from Germany

[Tech_Marco]

thats your point of view ...the Thunderlaser controller was at the beginning the same product, you offered here, right. Today they still receive theyr controller and software from PuHan (Mr. Wang) but a lot of funktions changed/got added, bugs got fixed and so on ...so I can tell you, that I receive a sensational good service from Thunderlaser and use almost bug-less controller in my machines now. (new Thunderlaser software is called "LaserGrav" now)
Yes, Mr. Wang had a hard time the past year because his software engineer (Mr. Li ..new head of Anywells) left the companie and all source codes with him. Today's situation is that he is back in business with another software engineer and the "lost" source codes are 99% replaced.

It is NOT point of my view. I'm the victim of the "Thunder man"! I known Mr. Wang and Mr. Li as I have been doing discussion before their seperation. At that time, Thunder was not exist!! I don't care if whoever my competitor but the Thunderman black mail me and was pretenting that they were the manufacturer of the DSP card (2011 model) or pretending of being my supplier!! That's UNETHICAL to do business to make up story about your competitor. The Thunderman even said that they stop supply DSP to me and we no longer in business. What the hack was they doing!

If you don't believe it, asked Mr. Wang or I can give you contact to Mr. Li and Mr. Wei. Also, contact Bart and Tim from Buildlog.net. Bart is the owner of Buildlog.net and he refused to carry Thunder's product because of his UNETHICAL way of doing business .

If the old card (I don't call it Thundercard as it's not his card, I was carrying 3 years ago and Thunder was no where during that time), he now approached Mr. Li fo the new card AWC608 but Mr. Li rejected to sell him the card because of his UNETHICAL by claiming that Mr.Li a "thief". Thunderman is a thief instead. There was some issue between Mr. Li, Mr.. Wei and Mr. Wang and I don't want to discuss here about their own story here.

Anyway, you believe it or not it doesn't matter as you didn't know the story behind it. But if he dare to make any wrong amusement, I'll give him a great revenge


I declared everything is true, and nothing but the TRUE!



Marco

[Tech_Marco]

Update: Mr. Wang found a new software guy and may be a hardware guy to work on the card. But it's not Thunderman's card. I don't care too much about what Mr. Wang is doing on the new DSP or whatever upgrade, I do care about the story the "thunderman" that made up to against me. I have no problem with Mr. Wang but the Thunderman (Mr. Chen). Note: the Thunderamn is just a buyer of Mr. Wang's card and now trying to buy Mr. Li's card but got rejected by Mr. Li. Thunder Laser is NOT a manufacturer of laser machine or DSP. They buy and sell and make up a logo. That's all about it

I think there are enough customers on this planet, to give both products a right to exist.

In one condition: do NOT deframe your competitor

[G-laserguy]

Hi Marco,

That's UNETHICAL to do business to make up story about your competitor.

So why don't you stop it?

All, I am interested in is the performance of laser controllers, theyr technology and reliability. ...this is what makes me lucky customers at the end.
I don't care about your Story with Mr. Chen (the same I tell him by the way) ...I never said, the Controller is his product, I said he receives controller from PuHan, which is the companie from Mr. Wang.
It's like I said before: both controller cards (Anywells AWC608 and Thunderlasers DF212) are good products and I love to work with both of them ..my customers love it too.

What do you think about spending our energy in other peoples problems and try to help a bit?


Greetings form Germany ....it's beer-time now!

[Tech_Marco]

G-laserguy :
You still don't get it. If he (the Chen) wasn't deframel me, do you think I care?!
So if someone stole your car but said that you're a thief and you don't want to explain it? What's matter with you?

Since you bought up the subject (Thunder DSP), I have a reason to make it clear here.
When you said "ThunderDSP", then it's wrong. As I said many times, Thunder never made a DSP card!
As I already mentioned, I don't give a damn to Mr. Wang's DSP (PHCad) but I'm mad on that Thunderman ,the unethical man

It sounds like that you're thinking that I'm making the story here, do you? Well, so be it but I don't want to hear the Thunder on my forum. Period


Marco

[Telrad]

Why does his software for almost the same controller as ours look so much different? His labels on his buttons are more accurate and it looks like someone tweaked the layout a bit better.

I'm not taking any sides... I'm just asking a question as to why there is a difference.

[Tech_Marco]

The card os developed about 3 years ago and have been changed twice like switching from While/Silver panel to Blue one. During that time, I personally didn't too much about the card bust solely selling. Then after the partnership over of those 3 guys: Mr. Wang (hardware), Mr. Li (programmer) and Mr. Wei (Sales) Note. Thunderman (Chen) wasn't exist at that time. Both Mr. Li and Mr. Wei were not happy the way Mr. Wang operation and decided to leave the company.

Mr. Li then spent a big trunk of money to hire his friend (electronics engineer) to redesign a new board. Note, the new card is using a DSP chipset (Texas Instrument) and is quite different than the old card. Therefore, coding is totally different and Mr. Li has to start from scratch to redesign a software name "LaserCad". If it's the same, it won't take almost 6 months to get a mature card. If anyone follow this post on this forum, the new DSP has gone through an uphill curve. Now, the card is more stable and runs much better.

Then,the Thunderman entered the market and met Mr. Wang (don't know the detail) and selling his DSP card. He was selling the DSP in Buildlog.net and knowing me that I was selling the same DSP as well. Then, he made up a story and told Bart, the owner of Buildlog.net that he was the big boss and decided to terminate the contact and no longer selling DSP card to me..... If I wasn't told by my customer, I didn't even know the true! At that time, I wasn't really to speak out as I was doing mine business and he was doing his. To me, I can't stop anyone copying my stuff so I though that 'who care'. It happened since I was doing ebay. Sellers from Hong Kong and China stole my pictures and even my wrong bad product description , they just copied and use it without my acknowlege. But my friend suggested me to make it clear to the public to clear the confuse so I did.

Long story shorted, the old card has quite a lot of bugs and Mr. Wang has hard time to fix it as he was not the designer at all. He could handle minor change but the major problem couldn't be solved without a hardware engineer and without a programmer. I reported a lot bugs to them (before their separation) during that time but he didn't care at all. One of the problem was that the "Z" axis won't work properly and the LCD control/button has no effect. Or, the Z+ and Z- are reversed.... the software name was "PHCad" and it's up to version 4.47 (I still leave it on my forum in case someone need it. I didn't remove it as I want to proof that I used to carry that card and I have the latest software till it die).

Thunderman has been selling the old card for a while and found the problem but Mr. Wang couldn't fix it. Then, he hired a software guy to redesign the layout. But, merely fixing software layout won't fix the board level issue. Now, my partner told me that Mr. Wang finally hired a programmer and may be a hardware engineer to redesign the board. But the card is belonging to Mr. Wang, not the Thunderman (Mr. Chen). Or, may be they two now join venture, who knows and I can't care much.

Note: I don't own any DSP and I'm just a distributor of both DSP. But at a time, I was thinking an older version DSP from Mr. Wang to be used for the D40/K40 small machine. That way, folks won't need to spend too much money on that small machine. But Mr. Wang didn't own the code either so it's a piece of hardware couldn't be upgrade or changed. Note that I wasn't in fight at all so don't get me wrong, I have nothing to do with Mr. Wang. But the malicious accusation by the Thunderman was another story and totally not acceptable. I'm not mad to Mr. Wang (why would I??) but Mr. Chen only as he stole my business by making up a story.

By the way, I don't know too much about the new DSP from Mr. Wang. I think it's good thing to happen as I see that competition may give Mr. Li some pressure to do better job. People desired to get better product, especially the DSP isn't cheap! No competition = no improvement. To me, I don't care the fight between Mr. Wang and Mr. Li. I only care if my suggestion to Mr. Li about how to improve the card is taken into account or not, that's what I care the most. I may even carry Mr. Wang card in the future. Who knows!

Someone may thought that I don't mind other people talking other DSP card or product from other brand. In fact, I don't! You guys can talk about Leetro MC6515,6525, PHCad, ... or even talk about bad thing of the AWC608. I'm totally fine with that. Nothing is prefect the the AWC608 still need improvement. But I do objected anyone to bring up ThunderLaser here not because of concerning being my competitor but because of his unethical practice. True Helping other customer is my priority and I don't want to wast so much time here to tell who is me and who is who. I hope this would be the last time that I need to represent myself to the public about this issue.


Regards,
Marco

[G-laserguy]

Good morning

Why does his software for almost the same controller as ours look so much different?

The answer is easy: PHCad, LaserCAD and LaserGRAV are all based on the same software, but edited by different engineers.

I don't think there is a big difference, but decide for yourself:

old PHCad V 4.47:

new PHCad V 5.08:

Thunderlaser's LaserGRAV:

Anywells LaserCAD:

Note, the new card is using a DSP chipset (Texas Instrument) and is quite different than the old card.

Yep, AWC608 is using a DSP-Chip from Texas Instruments.
The PH-Controller uses a DSP-Chip (Texas Instruments) together with a FPGA (Field Programmable Gate Array from Altera). Both designs have advantages and disadvantages:

- using one DSP only makes updates with USB-Stick possible (more correct is to say, that this way of firmware update is impossible with PH-Controller cards design)
- The one DSP (running at 150MHz) in Anywells AWC608 does calculate everything, the DSP (running at 225MHz) in PH-controller can outsource lots of basic calculations to the FPGA-chip and gets that way more headroom for high-speed-working

There are lots more of little differences between Anywells and PH-controller, but at the end they both just run and do a great job.

What's matter with you?

Nothing Marco, I'm absolutely relaxed and bored about you falling deeper and deeper into victimhood.
It's like I said before: I don't care about your "Thunder-Man" story, I'm interested in technology only.


Greetings from Germany

PS: Beer-time again

[waltfl]

Hi all
Ok now my 5 cents to the whole scenario.
I have worked with all versions of DSP, thunderlaser DF 211 and 212 meaning PHcad 4.7 and laserggrav, AWC 608 and AWC 608 latest version with lasercut 5.85 and now with lasercut 6.39.
and absolut neutral my experience that the thunderlaser DSP is still far behind the capabilities of the AWC608.
that all of the programms are somehow so close that you can use 95% of the PHcad files if you just change the extension from pwj to pwj5 it works in the AWC the same way the most files from the lasercut can be used in phcad.
my opinion is it is a shame that the manufacturer not putting there experience together and make awasome product
what then evrybody can sell under ther name what thery in principle doing anyway.
just my experience to this theme
greetings
waltfl

[Tech_Marco]

What's matter with you?

Nothing Marco, I'm absolutely relaxed and bored about you falling deeper and deeper into victimhood.
It's like I said before: I don't care about your "Thunder-Man" story, I'm interested in technology only.

Note, it's not a movies and I'm not asking to evalualte it for score. You can't compare a 'drama' to an 'action' movies. If so, you went into wrong room. You're a western people and you don't understand the culture of Chinese. Things may not be possible happening in Germany but it can be seems 'normal' in China. You're don't know the whole thing and I don't expect you to know at all seems you only know "technology". But I have my right to tell my customer about the fact behind it. If you feel bored by me, you can have a beer. Let's stop this topic here as I don't want to lose a high tech guy from Germany

By the way, I'd the Australian beer name "Foster". Taste great with a bloddy cold cup in summer.
Blue Girl from Germany haven't tried it for 2 decades.

Marco

[djsuthar]

Dear Mr. Marco

As you know i am working on the High Speed Engraving machine. I am facing problem is that when our design ( job ) width is thin like later, straight line, etc..

then our machine can not engraving that same. for more information please check attached photos.